tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3719317745802879347.post4832767482855248602..comments2023-06-01T06:21:17.313-04:00Comments on Her Authority: Who Cares About Pregant Women?ProChoiceGalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07220695159759063365noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3719317745802879347.post-60000001730757743732011-04-12T00:11:36.982-04:002011-04-12T00:11:36.982-04:00When anyone has the audacity to tell a woman what ...When anyone has the audacity to tell a woman what to do with her body, I smite them with my mind's eye. I have seen too many children born to neglectful/abusive parents to even consider the idea that women be forced to carry a baby full term if it is not their wish. I would rather those that chose to end their pregnancy, do so safely. THAT should be a RIGHT.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3719317745802879347.post-82594755414875771152010-07-03T17:06:23.396-04:002010-07-03T17:06:23.396-04:00"Focussing on giving something a diagnosis ta..."Focussing on giving something a diagnosis takes away attention from really focussing on helping people through the next stage, besides"<br /><br />You will have to explain what you mean, because I don't understand it. <br /><br />One of my children has been extremely sick for over six weeks now. Since he has no diagnosis, the doctors have been giving him treatments that are stabs in the dark and aren't working. Until he can be diagnosed with something, how can he truly be able to get better? How can you fix something if you don't know the CAUSE of it??<br /><br />So if a woman is always crying on June 9, can't walk past the baby aisle without freaking out- sure you can treat the depression and anxiety. Lord knows I was put on anti-depressants and anxiety medicines through out the years. But if you don't get to the ROOT of the cause (having my abortion) then you are only scratching the surface. It wasn't until I found out about PAS that I was able to get to the root of all this and have not had to take depression or anxiety meds since. Did I have every symptom? No. Did I share some of the symptoms? Yes.<br /><br /><br />"If one doesn't fit into the diagnosis (which are always medically accepted), then one can fall through the cracks as has been the case with my mother and father."<br /><br />If you are MISdiagnosed, then that is a problem. But correctly diagnosing the problem should lead to the correct forms of treatments...even if those treatments may vary from person to person. <br /><br />Or maybe the person isn't being diagnosed correctly because it is a "new" type of problem that hasn't been formally put in the books, so to speak. So in that case one would need to "discover" the real root of the problem. <br /><br />Like my son, they are treating him for the diarrhea and vomiting he has been doing for 6 weeks. But they are masking the underlying issue that is going on. Until we know WHY he has those problems, we CAN'T move onto the next stage. <br /><br />Again, I don't know the case with your mom and dad, so I'm just trying to give a general answer. Maybe if you could elaborate more I could see your point??Allisonhttp://thisismylifetoenjoy.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3719317745802879347.post-23629607384342239612010-07-03T14:42:31.111-04:002010-07-03T14:42:31.111-04:00FW
I don't know the situation with your parent...FW<br />I don't know the situation with your parents, so I cant comment on that at all.<br /><br />I don't see how you think I'm trying to tell a woman how she needs to feel in order to be diagnosed a certain way. I think ANY negative emotions that surround having an abortion should be addressed & supported. Calling it SOMETHING like PANF (post abortion negative feelings) or whatever certainly makes it easier for a woman who is suffering from common emotional, physical, etc trauma find a place to go. <br /><br />I think you are still missing my point. All I'm asking is for education of women BEFORE making ANY choice.<br /><br />When a woman finds out she is pregnant, she she should be informed all the facts regarding her pregnancy, not false information like some places give.<br /><br />Before a woman makes ANY choice, she should be asked what she would ideally like to do. If she has people surrounding her who don't support that-parents, the father, or even the person who is counseling her, then she will be more than likely be swayed to make a decision that she didn't want to make-causing REGRET for life.<br /><br />That goes for abortion, adoption, and keeping the baby. <br /><br />Before a woman goes for an abortion she should be told that if she has doubts now, that chances are she could suffer from severe emotional trauma afterwords. <br /><br />& whatever a woman decides, she should be given information on support groups on both sides so she can go to what suits her best if needed (Happy aborted, Not Happy aborted, Happy adoption, Not Happy adoption, etc) Then at least she wouldn't be roaming around for years & years with this huge emotional package on her and wonder why no one told her of these feelings. <br /><br />Just like if a woman goes to give her baby up for adoption, if it's not what she really wants to do, it can cause severe emotional trauma afterwords.<br /><br />While there ARE centers in the US that do ethical practices regarding a woman during this sensitive time, TOO MANY are just shuffling women in, taking their money, giving them abortions & sending them on their way. Or lying to them about the development of their baby. Or not giving them accurate information about their other options. <br /><br />I have the SAME problem with adoption agencies who practice the same type of behavior. There are adoption agencies who don't fully explain open and closed adoption to women and they get the short end of the stick. Or if the woman seems unsure about adoption, they'll pressure her into it with untruths & such. I advocate for these women too & would like to see a change in the way certain agencies do their practices. Since I'm in the research stages of adopting a baby, I'm very appalled at how some agencies go about the whole process. <br /><br />Are all adoption agencies bad? No. But there are TOO MANY that are. Are all abortion clinics bad? No, again. But too many are. Again, who suffers?? THE WOMAN. <br /><br />Sometimes BOTH parties are only worried about that money. There needs to be a change in this system, for the sake of the woman!! <br /><br />Which is why I would really like to see a third party who gains no money from whatever a woman chooses, who has accurate information, who can help her find the resources she needs for whatever she chooses, etc. This would lesson women who regret their choice...whatever that choice would be. <br /><br />There are support groups for women who regret their decision of adoption. I wouldn't care what they call their support group, even though I advocate adoption. Because I understand that not all adoptions are done the way they should be & that who ends up suffering? Not me. Not you. Not the agency. Not anyone, but the woman. <br /><br />Not all people who go to AA are addicts. They may be more of the severely abusing alcohol type, but not addicted. In the long run it's not the NAME of the group that matters. It's the SUPPORT you get in there from people who are STRUGGLING just like you, even though it may be in different forms. <br /><br />& same goes for women of abortion who regret it.Allisonhttp://thisismylifetoenjoy.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3719317745802879347.post-5205224228380044562010-07-02T19:55:33.409-04:002010-07-02T19:55:33.409-04:00I know diagnosis helps some people, but it is a do...I know diagnosis helps some people, but it is a double-edged sword. If one doesn't fit into the diagnosis (which are always medically accepted), then one can fall through the cracks as has been the case with my mother and father. Focussing on giving something a diagnosis takes away attention from really focussing on helping people through the next stage, besides.freewomansholyinheritancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12361662104992268333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3719317745802879347.post-5841785440307896442010-07-02T19:48:16.089-04:002010-07-02T19:48:16.089-04:00And, again, you are putting a diagnosis on somethi...And, again, you are putting a diagnosis on something that would have to be applied to every other situation, but isn't, for one plausible reason or another (several of which have been mentioned, here). Why not just let the woman feel what she feels and give her the support that is needed, and enforce that policy, rather than telling her what she needs to feel in order to be diagnosed in such a way? Thanks.freewomansholyinheritancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12361662104992268333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3719317745802879347.post-63540407179487714682010-07-02T19:44:08.652-04:002010-07-02T19:44:08.652-04:00It has definitely hurt my father and mother. Whic...It has definitely hurt my father and mother. Which is what I was saying in my earlier post. So my and my parents' feelings should be ignored? Make that a big resounding *no*, perhaps...?freewomansholyinheritancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12361662104992268333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3719317745802879347.post-16871027604798379212010-07-02T18:37:31.755-04:002010-07-02T18:37:31.755-04:00Sorry Free woman, have to disagree. Diagnosis may ...Sorry Free woman, have to disagree. Diagnosis may put people into niches, but then at least there would be more help available to them. <br /><br /> I struggled with it for years and was RELIEVED when I heard of PAS...felt like I was normal. And it was nice to meet other people who shared the same emotional hurt that I did. <br /><br />More support groups, more awareness, more ways to heal from their feelings if the "professionals" would give it a name. I don't see how that hurts people more than helps them. <br /><br />PCG- It's easy to get caught up in something we feel passionate about. And we want others to feel the passion and understanding too. This subject is so "touchy" that it's hard I think for people to really talk about it. :-)Allisonhttp://thisismylifetoenjoy.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3719317745802879347.post-84929703708074536292010-07-01T17:34:15.689-04:002010-07-01T17:34:15.689-04:00Wow....
Here all I was talking about was enforcem...Wow....<br /><br />Here all I was talking about was enforcement over diagnosis, Allison, so I think you comPLETEly missed my point. Diagnosis over enforcement hurts people more than it helps them, just as it would have hurt my mother and father after each of their two surgeries. After all, we already ackNOWledge those feelings and we've said so. Diagnosis simply puts people into niches and would entail all other forms of regret being so diagnosed, after all. If you hadn't realized it, I'm a woman with real feelings, too. Thanks.freewomansholyinheritancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12361662104992268333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3719317745802879347.post-60186360345728891822010-07-01T10:20:44.898-04:002010-07-01T10:20:44.898-04:00I'm really sorry, Allison :(
I think people ...I'm really sorry, Allison :( <br /><br />I think people were getting caught up in the PAS debate and forgot who we're talking to- a real person with real feelings who has experienced real trauma. Regardless of our stance on whether or not we should call it PAS or PPAF or PTSD, we should be sensitive to the trauma that other people have experienced. Always.ProChoiceGalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07220695159759063365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3719317745802879347.post-86818957863369661302010-07-01T01:09:58.020-04:002010-07-01T01:09:58.020-04:00You know what? Actually forget it. Minus PCG and o...You know what? Actually forget it. Minus PCG and one other, I haven't gotten a SHRED of support. All I'm getting is people, who have never walked a mile in my shoes or probably have ever sat down to talk to someone who is still hurting emotionally from their abortion, tell me that I don't fit into their "box" or into what they've heard an "expert" tell them, so certainly I'm wrong. <br /><br />You make it sound like I'm an enemy just because I give a different point of view. <br /><br />Some women have an abortion and feel relief and are okay. OTHERS of us feel guilt, feel like we killed our child, and suffer. And there will be women who feel a mixture between the two. You can't tell a woman what's right and what's wrong to feel. <br /><br />Sadly, until ALL women are educated about all their options and what's going on with their pregnancy, they won't know what side they'll fall on until after they have already made their choice. And sucks for them if they were uneducated and pressured into abortion and become educated after having an abortion and decide that the information is too much to bear now. <br /><br />I don't care about prochoice or prolife. I get this crap all the time. Some prochoice people tell me that women don't REALLY regret their abortions and suffer. Some prolife people tell me that I'm a murderer. <br /><br />Both comments hurt my feelings equally and leave me (and others like me) stuck somewhere outside of this debate just looking for support in our feelings. <br /><br />I'm only for helping women NOT suffer like I, and many others, do. Not to get into a prolife/prochoice debate. Not to stop a woman from having an abortion. GOT THAT??<br /><br />I've never once said anything about abortion being wrong or taking away a woman's right to choose. All I've ever wanted was for women to be EDUCATED about abortion so that later on down the road they won't end up sitting next to me in a PAS group crying her eyes out. <br /><br />Facts still exist, even if they are ignored. <br /><br />The truth is...I give up. Go ahead and think that the prochoice movement is all hearts and flowers and all women will be thankful for their abortions. You're so right. There's nothing wrong with what some abortion clinics are doing at all. And ONLY PC's are evil, evil, evil. Because you have this box, and obviously there is no in between. <br /><br />But I know there is an in between. I know the good and bad that both sides have. So I try and educate both sides so that a woman NEVER has to feel like I do. <br /><br />But again, those of us that suffer are getting ignored. It's sad to me that so many of you don't want to hear what those of us who are suffering have to say to help make prochoice a BETTER system. <br /><br />Thank you PCG for being respectful and understanding of the suffering some women go through. <br /><br />To the rest of you, I just hope that if you ever meet a person in real life who is suffering from their choice of having abortion, that you wouldn't be so dismissive of their "fake syndrome" feelings.Allisonhttp://thisismylifetoenjoy.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3719317745802879347.post-80960335556764403182010-06-30T23:58:30.415-04:002010-06-30T23:58:30.415-04:00Wow...
Well, Free woman...that would be YOUR expe...Wow...<br /><br />Well, Free woman...that would be YOUR experience and not EVERYONE's experience. You can tell me till your blue in the face how YOU would respond and how you would THINK that and expect OTHER's to respond. But not EVERYONE will respond that way. And I speak from PERSONAL experience, not your hypothetical ones...<br /><br />Do YOU get that *now*? <br /><br />"And the stories I've heard are pretty much the same everywhere. "<br /><br />Oh please. You can youtube an undercover crappy PP just as easy as you can a PC. I've never claimed one was better than the other. I just stated what was available in MY area and that I think they BOTH offer much needed services. <br /><br />But thanks for the kind of snarky response.Allisonhttp://thisismylifetoenjoy.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3719317745802879347.post-74364996945217819772010-06-30T20:05:29.826-04:002010-06-30T20:05:29.826-04:00Also, all of the ProLife centres I have in my area...Also, all of the ProLife centres I have in my area provide none of what the CPC's in your area provide and, in fact, have been reported to go out of their way to MAKE women feel uncomfortable. The associations that do provide abortion services ALL provide what you say your PP didn't. And the stories I've heard are pretty much the same everywhere. Hmmm....<br /><br />Btw, surgical association doesn't automatically compute into abortion association. If I fear pens because of certain dental equipment that was used on me, that's the regret of having to have the surgery being exposed, not the regret of the removal of the condition I went there for, itself. Thanks.<br /><br />I hate surgery. I would have an abortion that I would not regret, however, if I did get pregnant, even though I would regret having to have the surgery, itself. Do you get the difference, *now*?freewomansholyinheritancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12361662104992268333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3719317745802879347.post-32074987349022740022010-06-30T19:47:33.904-04:002010-06-30T19:47:33.904-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.freewomansholyinheritancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12361662104992268333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3719317745802879347.post-86783084793228796542010-06-25T16:06:44.596-04:002010-06-25T16:06:44.596-04:00You'd be surprised at how many women still fin...You'd be surprised at how many women still find themselves pro-choice even after suffering from PAS. <br /><br />I think the main thing we want to see is a change in the system. If PAS sounds too pro-life for you, then let's call it PPAF: Possible Post Abortion Feelings. Because the thing is PPAF can last for a month, a year, 20 years, or until you die. It's something that needs more support and education from the community. <br /><br />AllisonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3719317745802879347.post-20706864356640032692010-06-25T15:15:46.191-04:002010-06-25T15:15:46.191-04:00Jennifer-
While I agree with some of what you men...Jennifer-<br /><br />While I agree with some of what you mentioned, not all of it is true. You cannot put everyone who had an abortion and suffers from PAS in a box.<br /><br />"this "syndrome" is unique to women who previously had no support in their lives, previously had manipulative and/or abusive partners or families, and women who are mistreated by people they should have been able to trust because they chose to end their pregnancies."<br /><br />Many women suffer from PAS because yes, they are pressured into the decision of abortion by their parents, partner, and/or the staff clinic they visit.<br /><br />Many women suffer from PAS because the staff clinic lie to them about the development of their baby, and they find out later the truth.<br /><br />Many women suffer from PAS because the clinic they go to aren't fully disclosing their options either because A. they want their money from the abortion or B. they are truly uninformed about the adoption process and/or the (few) resources out there for a woman who chooses to raise her baby.<br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/19/nyregion/19bigcity.html?src=mv<br /><br />Which is why I feel strongly about education of clinics and the women that go there. So that women can make an informed choice. <br /><br />BUT!!!<br /><br />Many women who suffer from PAS aren't apart of the emotional abuse and had support before hand: <br /><br />A. My older half sister got pregnant in college. She was attending Georgetown University and decided to have an abortion. Her mother even offered to help her if she choose to keep it or give it up for adoption, but would support whatever she decided. She choose to abort. A month later she was at a cousins baby shower and that's when it hit her what she had done. She started having symptoms of PAS and they got worse when she got married and was told she could never have children. She is in her 40's now and has adopted a child from Korea, but her PAS symptoms are still with her.<br /><br />B. A good friend of mine gave a baby up for adoption when she was 21 years old. She kept the baby for a month, decided it was too hard to take care of and gave him up. She got pregnant again at 25. She decided to have an abortion because she knew she wasn't ready to have a child and didn't want to go through giving a baby up through adoption again. She had the abortion. She suffers from PAS because while she gets updates on her son she gave up, she feels emotional about the fact that she will never get to see the face of the baby she aborted. <br /><br />C. A lady in my PAS support group got pregnant while married and already had two kids. She and her husband decided to abort because they didn't want any more children. She said she started feeling horrible afterwords. They got their family picture taken a few months later and she broke down crying that there was someone missing from the picture. She begged her husband to get her pregnant one more time, to make up for the baby they aborted. They now have a third child. Yet, she still suffers from PAS. <br /><br />These women had the support from their families and partners. Yet they still end up with PAS. <br />~~~~~~~~~~~~<br />Officially, here's the "Webster's Dictionary" definition of a 'syndrome':<br /><br />1 : a group of signs and symptoms that occur together and characterize a particular abnormality<br /><br />2 : a set of concurrent things (as emotions or actions) that usually form an identifiable pattern<br /><br />wikipedia-<br />A familiar syndrome name often continues to be used even after an underlying cause has been found, or when there are a number of different primary causes that all give rise to the same combination of symptoms and signs.<br /><br />Again, I don't care if you call it PAS or not. But the symptoms that can possibly occur from a woman having an abortion needs to be talked about with women considering having an abortion. AGAIN, I stress...not as a scare tactic, but as education. I know that many women will never experience a PAS symptom. But MANY will.<br /><br />Education is key before hand and support is key afterwords.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3719317745802879347.post-49656551507082766782010-06-24T09:40:45.320-04:002010-06-24T09:40:45.320-04:00"Call it PAS, call it PTSD, call it whatever ..."Call it PAS, call it PTSD, call it whatever you like. That's not my argument. It needs to recognized though. "<br /><br />it IS recognized. it is recognized as the emotional trauma endured by women who are left without any form of emotional support, are abandoned by those who are supposed to care for them, and quite often by those women who are victims if manipulated or forced abortion. this isn't a syndrome incompassing ALL women who choose abortion. that's just silly and completely unfounded. this "syndrome" is unique to women who previously had no support in their lives, previously had manipulative and/or abusive partners or families, and women who are mistreated by people they should have been able to trust because they chose to end their pregnancies. with that in mind PAS is NOT, and is very far from, an abortion syndrome. all of this discribes women who are ALREADY victims of emotional abuse, and that abuse persists through a time when they most need support. <br /><br />that said, f*ck PAS. if people want to show women that they care, stop fueling this fake syndrome and start seeing what these women are suffering for what it really is: EMOTIONAL ABUSE.girl.evolving.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17851772590325474576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3719317745802879347.post-39097897056884013242010-06-22T06:48:13.545-04:002010-06-22T06:48:13.545-04:00I just wanted to say that the important thing here...I just wanted to say that the important thing here is CHOICE!<br /><br />-There needs to be access to parenting options for women that choose to parent with a partner or alone. Classes, organizations that are non-biased and offer supplies to low-income families, and access to midwives, doulas, and the health care support the woman needs during her pregnancy.<br /><br />- There needs to be access to adoption services, both in the private and public realm. They should be easy to find, supportive, and meet the needs of the particular woman choosing to give her baby to a loving person/family for adoption. Counseling should be available for the woman pre and post adoption if she desires to utilize it.<br /><br />- There needs to be access to abortion services. The clinic and hospitals that provide these services provide medically-based, non-biased, peer-reviewed medical information for the women seeking these services. Counseling should be available pre and post abortion if the woman wishes to utilize it.<br /><br />While everyone has their own view and choice on what THEY would do, I think an ideal world would have all three options in stellar form for those that CHOOSE each one. We should all remember that not everyone is Christian/religious/etc and is entitled to their own choices with their health and reproductive organs. Just like I am not going to tell someone to have an abortion, no one should tell me not to. <br />Equal access for all in what she decides is right for her.Red Deceptionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18069669930198240317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3719317745802879347.post-14829682852238148932010-06-18T09:30:49.153-04:002010-06-18T09:30:49.153-04:00FEMily-
Call it PAS, call it PTSD, call it whatev...FEMily-<br /><br />Call it PAS, call it PTSD, call it whatever you like. That's not my argument. It needs to recognized though. <br /><br />Women need to be warned that they can possibly suffer from this. But not addressing the situation because you're afraid it will give the pro-life movement ammunition??? I'm so over the pro-life/pro-choice debate. I'm talking about educating women. I'm talking about saving women from what MANY of us are suffering from. If after being educated they make the choice to not abort...then so be it. If they choose to abort...then at least they were informed. That's what CHOICE is all about! <br /><br />A common thread of topic is that NO ONE TOLD THEM they would be feeling this way. and that NO ONE told them the truth about their developing (baby, embryo, fetus) And since it is obvious that there are A LOT of women who end up suffering from the same common symptoms RESULTING from their abortion- for many years afterwords- it needs to be addressed. <br /><br />There will always be women who seek abortions. That is evident since before it was legal women were seeking it. Educating women on the development of her (baby, fetus, embryo...again I don't care what you call it) should be EDUCATION, not a scare tactic. Educating a woman about the emotional side effects abortion can cause should be EDUCATION, not a scare tactic. If an educated woman then chooses to abort or not...then she's made an EDUCATED choice and is less likely to regret that choice. <br /><br />But leaving her in the dark is wrong. Because when she DOES find out the truth, she can crash HARD with all the symptoms listed as PAS. And then who can come in looking like the good guys to that girl? The pro-life movement. "See! I told you abortion was bad! Now you're suffering from this. But look, we have support groups to help you through this...." <br /><br />Which is why I've said before...I think a third party that has no affiliation to pro choice/life and that stands to make no money on whatever she chooses needs to be the one to come in and educate and answer all questions she has. <br /><br />Again...let me state...Education should be EDUCATION and not a scare tactic. If a woman chooses to abort or not...that's HER choice. I'm calling for education of abortion so that a woman WON'T end up suffering like MANY of us do. And the only way to lessen the numbers of women suffering from the PAS symptoms is through EDUCATION BEFORE HAND.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3719317745802879347.post-25148978247391195362010-06-17T13:31:13.613-04:002010-06-17T13:31:13.613-04:00So you're saying that it's normal for a wo...<i>So you're saying that it's normal for a woman to get sick to her stomach and have anxiety every time she goes to the dentist because the tube that sucks the spit out of your mouth reminds her of the abortion suction? Or that around the time of June 9th EVERY YEAR she has nightmares? Or that it took her over two years just to be able to walk down a baby aisle in Target and not cry hysterically?? <br /><br />That's not a "disorder" to you??</i><br /><br />You're not understanding what I'm saying. Anti-choice organizations try to make it like negative feelings that a woman has after having an abortion is evidence of a disorder. It's not. Furthermore, they claim that the extremely negative feelings after having an abortion is somehow different from the extremely negative feelings after some other unpleasant, possibly traumatic, event. There's no need to claim that a woman who is afraid to go to the dentist after having an abortion is suffering from a separate syndrome that is unique to women who have abortions. Think of it this way. Someone with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder could have been raped or watched someone be murdered or lived in a war-torn country and witnessed atrocities. There aren't separate names for each of the experiences I described. The experiences might be different and the way the symptoms are displayed may be different, but the symptoms themselves are the same. It all falls under the umbrella of PTSD. Or maybe they don't develop PTSD at all. Maybe they develop Agoraphobia or Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Maybe they don't develop any disorder at all. Nobody's denying that a woman can have a traumatic response after having an abortion. However, anti-choicers want everyone to believe that 1) a traumatic response is inevitable (if not desired), and 2) abortion is bad and scary and different (read: more evil than anything else one can experience). That's why they invented Post Abortion Syndrome. That's not to say that no woman anywhere ever experiences the symptoms that are outlined in Post Abortion Syndrome. It means that those symptoms are symptoms either of a disorder or environmental factors.FEMily!https://www.blogger.com/profile/09038209129658625144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3719317745802879347.post-33015266780910474422010-06-17T12:21:35.821-04:002010-06-17T12:21:35.821-04:00LOL...no problem! .ORG IS very one sided!!
If yo...LOL...no problem! .ORG IS very one sided!! <br /><br />If you like it, maybe it can be added to your websites you like. :-)<br /><br />AllisonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3719317745802879347.post-86439049809182128942010-06-17T11:07:04.541-04:002010-06-17T11:07:04.541-04:00I'm looking through afterabortion.COM right no...I'm looking through afterabortion.COM right now and they do seem neutral. Sorry for freaking out on you like that :)ProChoiceGalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07220695159759063365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3719317745802879347.post-62858960799347248522010-06-17T10:50:56.162-04:002010-06-17T10:50:56.162-04:00My mistake, Allison. I typed in "afterabortio...My mistake, Allison. I typed in "afterabortion" in my browser and "afterabortion.org" came up so I visited that one. I stand corrected!ProChoiceGalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07220695159759063365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3719317745802879347.post-23040084127181548182010-06-17T10:40:46.850-04:002010-06-17T10:40:46.850-04:00PCG....you looked at www.afterabortion.ORG NOT www...PCG....you looked at www.afterabortion.ORG NOT www.afterabortion.COM<br /><br />.COM mentions that they have NO CONNECTION to .ORG<br /><br />The website you are referring to is NOT the one I sent you to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3719317745802879347.post-9703352095988649372010-06-17T09:57:27.865-04:002010-06-17T09:57:27.865-04:00"If you go to www.afterabortion.com (which is..."If you go to www.afterabortion.com (which isn't prolife or prochoice)"<br /><br />Sorry Allison, but that's bull. "Abortion is the unchoice. Unwanted, unsafe, unfair". "copyright 1997 - 2009 Elliot Institute". "How to Put Compassion Into (Anti-Choice) Politics"."....a truly pro-woman, (anti-choice) society!"<br /><br />Not to mention their one-sided, anti-rape survivor view here: http://www.afterabortion.org/Victims/index.htm . Translation: "It's okay for you to be raped for 9 more months after the original assault, because WE know better than you!"<br /><br />Sorry, but saying that that website isn't anti-choice is just insulting. It's either a straight out lie or you've missed A LOT of the misogyny on that website.ProChoiceGalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07220695159759063365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3719317745802879347.post-54392470485001363802010-06-17T02:19:53.335-04:002010-06-17T02:19:53.335-04:00FEMily-
So you're saying that it's normal...FEMily-<br /><br />So you're saying that it's normal for a woman to get sick to her stomach and have anxiety every time she goes to the dentist because the tube that sucks the spit out of your mouth reminds her of the abortion suction? Or that around the time of June 9th EVERY YEAR she has nightmares? Or that it took her over two years just to be able to walk down a baby aisle in Target and not cry hysterically?? <br /><br />That's not a "disorder" to you??<br /><br />If you go to www.afterabortion.com (which isn't prolife or prochoice) you will see on the message boards A LOT of women- some even 30 plus years later- still having nightmares, still having "anniversary syndrome," STILL NEEDING SUPPORT, etc. regarding their abortions. <br /><br />These women come to the board- and again some talk about their positive experiences with the procedure, but a negative experience/reaction afterwards, and ALL women who've had an abortion are welcomed and excepted- and it is HEARTBREAKING what they write MANY YEARS LATER. <br /><br />That doesn't seem like a disorder to you????<br /><br />Yes, it is okay to feel sad sometimes. But have you even researched what PAS is?? It isn't being "sad sometimes." Please stop dismissing these feelings we have as "sad." Because it is MUCH more. <br /><br />I'd challenge you to go and read the message boards. You have to register, but anyone can. If you can honestly read those boards and see what these women are writing, some years after their abortions, and can come back and tell me that that doesn't sound like a disorder to you then I'll leave you alone with your point of view. <br /><br />But do some research into it from those of us who are coming together and sharing our pain. Until you have walked in our shoes you cannot have a clue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com